but that solution needs to create a business environment that allows businesses to grow because we're only expanding 2% gdp. we need at least 3 1/2, 4% to bring down unemployment. so we are fighting for the soul of america. >> steve: 'cause you need to help the economy and sell cars, too. >> that's an important part, to because next to our homes, the purchases -- it's always a lead indicator. >> gretchen: you would know, and this is why you were invited, because you run ford and you've been very successful at it. by the way, you took no bailout money because you borrowed money before that other fiscal cliff that we went over when the car industry was bailed out. did the president listen to you? >> i think he absolutely did. of course, i would do it again about testifying against my competitors because clearly the united states economy was in a recession and could have gone into a depression. i'm glad we did testify on behalf of our competitors at the time because we were doing the right thing for the u.s. economy. >> brian: as gm begins to boom, are you saying, you wouldn't even exist